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Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 17, 2010 @ 8:06pm

Cabin Boy txgangsta

Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Posts: 4001
Location: Texas

Classic just takes more skill to win the same amount. A 12 way FFA is much harder than a 6v6. One is a 50/50 chance average, the other is just above 8% chance average.
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 17, 2010 @ 11:10pm

Ensign Nanno

Joined: Nov 30, 2006
Posts: 4582
Location: Colorado

The Queen Bee
Yeah, the Grand Admiral quest is only for free-for-all games. Team rankings can't be taken seriously since unbalanced games are still being counted.
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 17, 2010 @ 11:24pm

Cabin Boy don_quijote

Joined: Mar 27, 2010
Posts: 219
Location: La Mancha

Oh...how disappointing. I guess I won't be a part of this quest. I can't stand battling alone anymore, not without Sancho. : (

That's too bad. Good luck to you all, may the most noble win.
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 18, 2010 @ 4:49am

Cabin Boy finalchance

Joined: Jun 8, 2010
Posts: 1

That's too bad. Good luck to you all, may the most noble win.


don_quijote: i believe i am noble enough to make it, i am also in your clan full of noble nights, wouldn't it look good for your clan, having the first GA? and mabye it would turn some of the evil doers over to the good guys?
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 19, 2010 @ 5:42am

Cabin Boy frysauce

Joined: Feb 7, 2010
Posts: 195
Location: Guatemala

Nanno's reason is good, but txgangsta, lets do some math...

Lets say that you play 100 games of each teams (6v6) and FFA (12 player), and win the number that statistics say you should.

Teams you will win half of the games, that is 300 wins and 300 losses (50*6) in your stats

FFA you will win 8 1/3 games. You will have 91 2/3 losses in your ranks (100-8 1/3) each loss counts as one loss because you only lose to one person. You will have 91 2/3 wins (8 1/3*11). Each win will count as 11 wins because you beat 11 people.

Statistics wise you have the exact same chances in teams and FFA. Of course it is impossible to win 8 1/3 games, or win/lose 91 2/3 games, but the theory is there. You have the same chances in both.
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 19, 2010 @ 6:19am

Cabin Boy patrox7459

Joined: Mar 27, 2010
Posts: 135
Location: does nowhere count?

classsic is too hard
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 19, 2010 @ 6:34am

Cabin Boy michjo

Joined: Feb 14, 2010
Posts: 196

Statistics wise you have the exact same chances in teams and FFA. Of course it is impossible to win 8 1/3 games, or win/lose 91 2/3 games, but the theory is there. You have the same chances in both.

I disagree about the statistics. It would be a LOT easier to get to GA in teams. 

Firstly in FFA, only one person can win; whereas in teams half the people can concievably win. This has huge implications when it comes to "weight". Win or Lose, you can get 6 weight in teams for each game. 

Although winning in FFA can give you upto 11, most players will not win games in FFA. They have a lot less chance of winning than 8%. If me, capple and muse were in the same FFA game, against a bunch of red flags, the only difference the red flags make, is between which one of us three would win.

Because of the differences in weight, the bottom few ranks mean (cabin boy to captain) mean absolutely nothing in teams. Teams has much more players at admiral and higher than FFA (43 one stripes compared to 21 one stripes).

For this tournament to apply in team as well as FFA. Teams would need one or two more meaningful rank levels.


Edit: As for the actual tournament, I think it would be just as good to flip a coin and say heads=muse wins GA quest, tails=sarcasmo wins GA quest. :)
post updated on Jun 19, 2010 @ 6:37am
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 12:28am

Cabin Boy fictional

Joined: Jun 16, 2010
Posts: 16

whoops this is my friends account, sorry :P
post updated on Jun 20, 2010 @ 12:29am
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 12:30am

Cabin Boy frysauce

Joined: Feb 7, 2010
Posts: 195
Location: Guatemala

and if you are good enough to be GA you will win a lot more than 8%.

As nanno said, unfair games still count in FFA, and you also can rely on others if you suck...

Again, as I explained without considering skill, suicides, ect. your percentages are the same statistically.

The weight is a big difference though, weight is much higher in teams because both wins and losses give you good weight...
post updated on Jun 20, 2010 @ 12:31am
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 7:07am

Cabin Boy roxi3

Joined: Jun 20, 2010
Posts: 8

i got the original artwork on paper!


quickmill i am very jealous...
post updated on Jun 20, 2010 @ 7:10am
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 8:26am

Cabin Boy concretewave

Joined: May 28, 2010
Posts: 1074
Location: Under your feet.

Everyone just forget it I'm gonna win.
post updated on Jun 20, 2010 @ 6:32pm
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 9:44am

Cabin Boy roxie

Joined: Apr 3, 2010
Posts: 2358
Location: Bah.

yep, i saw concretewave with grand admiral earlier he lost it quickly though
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 10:09am

Cabin Boy fkuc

Joined: Jun 15, 2010
Posts: 3

haha lol
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 3:09pm

Cabin Boy chi-ro

Joined: Dec 26, 2008
Posts: 3955
Location: The cluster behind you..

Under-Sheriff
Sadly enough that's a lie, his highest classic rank is 2 stripe, and highest teams rank is 3.
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 3:13pm

Cabin Boy roxie

Joined: Apr 3, 2010
Posts: 2358
Location: Bah.

no concretewave had it I SAAW IT but he lost after 1 gamr
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 3:20pm

Cabin Boy chi-ro

Joined: Dec 26, 2008
Posts: 3955
Location: The cluster behind you..

Under-Sheriff
http://www.galcon.com/fusion/stats.php?name=concretewave
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 5:05pm

Cabin Boy concretewave

Joined: May 28, 2010
Posts: 1074
Location: Under your feet.

Lol Ya'll are fighting over my rank I didn't say I had won yet I said I'm gonna win.
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 5:18pm

Cabin Boy roxie

Joined: Apr 3, 2010
Posts: 2358
Location: Bah.

everybody just forget it ive already won

said by concretewave
post updated on Jun 20, 2010 @ 5:20pm
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 6:32pm

Cabin Boy concretewave

Joined: May 28, 2010
Posts: 1074
Location: Under your feet.

Everyone just forget it I'm gonna win. 

^^said by concretewave.
post updated on Jun 20, 2010 @ 6:34pm
Re: The Grand Admiral Quest :: Jun 20, 2010 @ 6:49pm

Cabin Boy roxie

Joined: Apr 3, 2010
Posts: 2358
Location: Bah.

Editer!

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